Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated)

by TMM_Product_Manager on Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:17 pm

Connected Home Best Practices
Last updated: Jan. 25th, 2010
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Choosing the Right Digital Media Adapter

1. There is no one single digital media adapter that is good at everything. Each has their own strengths and weaknesses. Some are much better than others. Make sure to do your homework before purchasing. This document should help steer you in the right direction.

2. Purchase DLNA-certified products whenever possible. They undergo a higher level of interoperability testing with other devices than UPnP AV-only devices. You can view a list of all DLNA-certified products here: http://www.dlna.org/products/

3. Keep current with both software and firmware updates. Advanced features like external control are often enabled by new firmware upgrades.

4. Try to purchase digital media adapters that have both wireless and hardwired network connections. Wireless-only devices are much more likely to experience problems in large homes or on busy corporate environments, they also sometimes drop connections for no apparent reason, which can cause playback to stop.

5. Try to buy devices that are digital media renderers (DMRs), not just digital media players (DMPs). They're more flexible, because they can either pull content or accept pushed content. DMRs can also be controlled externally by a digital media controller (DMC) running on a PC, mobile phone or handheld remote. You can find a list of DMRs here: http://www.twonkyforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=5960

You can now buy DLNA-certified televisions now that are DMRs and can be externally controlled.

6. Before purchasing a game console over a dedicated digital media adapter, you should be aware of their limitations.
- You can not push media to the Sony PS3 or Nintendo Wii
- Game consoles do not support as many formats as some other DMAs.
- The XBox 360 creates its own navigation tree. As a result, it won't display advanced or custom TwonkyMedia trees or any of our Internet feeds.
- None of the currently shipping game consoles can play FLAC audio files

7. Ideally, you should have a DMR that supports photos and video everywhere you have a television. Try to find a DMR that is capable of streaming 1080i HD video and has an HDMI output.

8. Don’t assume that all photo renderers will automatically scale your photos, so they are full-screen. Some DLNA-certified TVs do not do this.

9. The best photo renderers will have nice transitions in-between photos and also let you play music in the background if desired (e.g. Sony PS3).

10. There are no DMRs at this time that can display a continuous photo slideshow (all display a without colored screen in-between photos). For that reason, you’ll want to pull your slide shows from your TV remote or using the remote that came with your digital media adapter.

11. Don’t assume that all DMP/DMRs can stream high definition video. Some cannot do this without major stuttering problems (e.g. Apple TV). Don’t assume your DMP/DMR can play QuickTime video. Most cannot.

12. Don’t assume your DMP/DMR can play FLV video from YouTube. Most cannot. The only devices that we have found that can accept pushed YouTube videos are Samsung DLNA-certified TVs, Xbox 360 (running as a Media Center extender), Apple TV running XBMC and Comtrend’s White Label set top box.

13. Ideally you should have a DMP/DMR that supports music everywhere you have a stereo. If you have a good stereo and speakers, you may want to avoid A/V media adapters and get an audio-only device because they sometimes have better D/A converters. Connect to your receiver digitally if possible. For the best possible sound, connect the digital output on your DMR to an outboard D/A converter.

14. Don’t assume that all DMRs can have their volume changed externally. Most receivers disable this feature.

15. Don’t assume that all DMP/DMRs can accept pushed music playlists or photo slideshows. Some only allow single files to be pushed to them.

16. Look for audio DMRs that can be grouped -- so you can have the same music playing in different rooms of your home. Examples of devices that can do this: Linksys DMC/DMP Wireless music players, Philips Streamium NP Series DMAs, Sonos ZonePlayers, etc.

17. If you subscribe to a music service like Rhapsody, make sure your digital music adapters work directly with your service, so you don’t have to use Rhapsody’s PC UPnP server. Examples of devices that include Rhapsody support include: Denon AVR receivers, Linksys DMC/DMP Wireless music players, Philips Streamium NP Series DMAs, Sonos ZonePlayers, etc.

18. If you must use wireless digital media adapters, make sure your devices can support advanced encryption like WPA or WPA2.

19. You should have a least one networked digital photo frame in your home. Try to find one that has both wired and wireless support. This will allow you to place it anywhere in your home and easily move it from room to room. Make sure your networked digital photo frame works with UPnP-AV servers like TwonkyMedia server.

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Media-related Tips

1. Perform regular backups of all of your media OR make sure it's stored on two different hard disks. One of the best ways to do this is to copy your media to a PC and a NAS. Once your media is copied to both drives, use backup software to keep both disks synchronized.

Advantages:
- You won't lose any media -- even if one of your systems or drives fail
- You'll have full access to your media 24/7 -- without having to leave your PC on.
- When you're PC is on, you'll be able to take advantage of the advanced features like server-side playlists.

2. Avoid buying copy-protected media when the same content exists in a legal unprotected form. Unprotected media is superior, because it can be played by any device, and you’ll never have to worry about losing your licenses

3. As you create your digital media library, try to use the formats which are required for DLNA certification: JPEG (photos), LPCM (audio) and MPEG2 (video). Although they are optional for home devices, MP3 (audio), WMV (video) and MPEG4 (video) are almost always supported by DLNA-certified devices as well.

4. When ripping your CDs, choose MP3 or LPCM (WAV) over AAC and FLAC, because not every device can play AAC or FLAC files.

If you must use lossless audio, consider LPCM (WAV) encode with the FLAC codec and try to avoid tagging these files with ID3 tags, because not all devices can play them.

5. It's a good idea to remove unsupported file formats from your shared media folders. Although most media servers support a long list of media formats, most external devices support a much smaller list. Moving these formats to a non-shared folder will prevent problems.

6. It is essential that all of your music files have accurate metadata tags, because media servers use these ID3 tags to create their navigation trees. If some your files are missing artist, genre or album tags, then those artists/genres/albums won’t appear in the navigation tree. You can still access this media from the song list, but its much more time consuming.

Tip: There is software available (e.g. Tag & Rename) that will allow you to use the artist and album folder names and song file names to create ID3 tags for you.


7. Avoid entering or editing metadata using media management software like iTunes or Windows Media Player. It’s much better to enter the metadata directly into an ID3 or EXIF tag, so it can be imported by any software.

8. Although it is not essential, it's a good idea to create separate folders for each artist in your music library. Each artist folder should have separate folders for each album. Each album folder should contain a JPEG file for the album cover. Normally this file is called "folder.jpg". Your media server will use this file to display album art. You can also embed album art in each music file in the ID3 tag, but this is more work.

9. It's a good idea to create separate folders for each year in your My Photos folder. Inside each year folder you should have subfolders for different albums. Your media server will use these folders to make it easier to locate photos.

10. It's also a good idea to use software like Windows Live Photo Gallery add tags to your photos. Although it's time consuming, you should try to rename your individual photos from their machine-issued names.

11. Pre-rotate your pictures before you copy them to your shared folder. The easiest way to do this is view them by thumbnails and right-click on the photos that need to be rotated.

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Network-related Tips

1. Always choose wired over wireless when you have a choice. Wired networks are easier to setup and capable of higher throughput. They also don't "drop" and have range problems like wireless connections.

2. If you have problems with wireless devices on your network, consider Power-line networking alternatives like HomePlug. It can be more reliable than wireless, but has its own issues with split-phase wiring. If you're using HomePlug, avoid using an AC power strip and plug the unit directly into the wall, since the power strip’s surge protection circuit can interfere with the device.

3. If you must use wireless, make sure your wireless access point is not broadcasting your SSID and you are using the most advanced security your devices will support (e.g. WPA-PSK or WPA2).

4. If you want to access your media remotely, consider buying a router than supports UPnP configuration.

5. Do not connect any of your PCs or devices to the "Internet" or "Uplink" ports on your router or switch.

6. Configure your router or switch to use DHCP; It makes setup easier.

7. Some routers and switches work better than others for media streaming. Problems with media playback stopping or stuttering sometimes go away when a new router or switch is used.

8. Changing router settings can also sometimes improve media streaming performance. Important: Before changing any router setting, make sure to write down the old setting, if case you need to go back to it someday.

a. If you have a busy network, collisions can occur which reduce your throughput. Lowering the fragmentation threshold can improve performance by reducing re-transmissions. Try setting the fragmentation threshold to 1,000 bytes and see if it improves media streaming. Be aware that using smaller packet adds extra overhead, so you shouldn’t set this value too low. Setting the threshold to the largest value (2,346 bytes) effectively disables fragmentation. Do not change this setting if you are not having media streaming problems.

b. Another parameter that some users experiment with is UPnP Advertisment Period. Some claim lowering this parameter can cause devices to appear faster on the network.

9. Don’t use fancy network setups with multiple subnets and hubs. Doing so can introduce latencies that cause problems with DLNA.

10. If you want to be able to stream multiple high-def videos, make sure there are no 10Mbps routers or switches on your LAN. Use 1000Mbps Gigabit Ethernet switches instead. They are now surprisingly affordable.

11. Use Cat5e cable. It costs about the same as Cat 5 cable and will enable your network to achieve higher speeds when you upgrade to Gigabit Ethernet.

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Server & Storage Suggestions

1. Store your media on an always-on device like a headless low-power PC or NAS device with an embedded media server.

2. Avoid using UPnP-only media servers like Windows Media Player 11 (Windows Media Connect), iTunes (Bonjour) or Rhapsody if you have access to a DLNA-certified media server like TwonkyMedia or Windows 7.

3. Make sure your media server is DLNA 1.5-certified. If possible, it should be a DLNA reference server (like TwonkyMedia or Macrovision).

4. If you’re running a Gigabit Ethernet network, you should try to use a PC or NAS that supports Gigabit Ethernet. This will speed up your data backup and enable more simultaneous high-def streams between your media server and DMRs that support Gigabit Ethernet (like PCs).

5. If you’re server is a PC, consider running Linux, Windows Home Server or Windows XP over Vista.

6. If you’re using a PC as a server, make sure your virus scanner is not a CPU hog. This can cause problems like skipping during playback.

7. Avoid running firewall software like ZoneAlarm, unless you understand how to configure it so it won't cause problems.

8. Avoid storing media on a network share. It’s better to share content from a hard drive in the same device where the server resides. Network shares increase the traffic on your network and can be unreliable if they are not always online.

9. Be careful which folder you select as your watched folder. Do not select a folder the system constantly updates, like a temp folder, a bit-torrent download folder or the Windows System folder. A watched folder with lots of changes, can really slow down your media server.


Other Suggestions

1. To get the most of your DMRs, use them with Digital Media Controller (DMC). Check to see if a DMC or UPnP controller is available for your Smart phone or PC.


* You can't push media to most game consoles from a Control Point (like TwonkyMedia Manager) because most of them cannot function as a DMR. For this reason, you must the game console as the main interface for streaming media from a DLNA/UPnP server on the network.

This article contains the opinions of the author(s) that do not necessarily reflect those of PacketVideo or DLNA.org. Thanks to Christian Gran, Jim Pfeifer, Angela Scheller and Ken Clapp for contributing to this article.

Copyright 2009-2010 by Rick Schwartz & PacketVideo. All rights reserved. Please do not publish this list elsewhere without permission -- however linking to this document is encouraged.
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What software-players do You recommend ??

by fja on Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:41 am

Hi,

thx for a great article. I have another question... It seems to me that my media player downloads entire music file (mp3) before playing it - I guess it should actually play while downloading (== streaming?), but that is not the case.

Also - if I try to connect to my Twonky server I do not get any way to navigate the music - or maybe I just don't see how to do it.

Locally I have a Denon 3808, and using this everything works fine....

???

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Re: DLNA Best Practices

by TMM_Product_Manager on Thu Feb 12, 2009 7:37 pm

TwonkyMedia manager should be able to push or pull music to your Denon 3808 as a stream -- without downloading it first. Normally the TwonkyMedia server should be visible in the list of servers on the Denon. You should see our navigation tree and use your Denon remote to navigate and play music. You should also see an icon labelled 'Network Audio' in the Play Here section of TwonkyMedia manager. Just drag and drop a song or playlist on top of that icon. If you go to Browse view, you can also drag and drop a genre or artist or album as well.

You can go to the Settings page today and change the 'Network Audio' label to read "Denon 3808". We're also planning to add icons for the 3808 to TMM v1.1, so you can change your icon as well.

Although I don't own a Denon yet, there are several TMM users on this forum that do, so they should be able to give you even better advice.

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Re: DLNA Best Practices

by fja on Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:06 pm

sorry if I was not clear... I have no problems using my Denon 3808.

My questions are related to software mediaplayers... I have problems getting stream and navigation to work, and I would like to know which software players are recommended..

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Re: DLNA Best Practices

by staun on Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:48 am

Excellent post. Please include details on how to use thumbnails for folders.
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Re: DLNA Best Practices

by TMM_Product_Manager on Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:05 pm

I'll be happy to do so if you let me know what you're trying to do. I can't find anything about using thumbnails for folders in the article above.

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Re: DLNA Best Practices

by TMM_Product_Manager on Mon May 04, 2009 5:04 pm

Here are some more details about games consoles that you should be aware of:
- The XBox 360 suppresses all files with MPG extensions and won’t play MPEG-2 video. Although it will play some MPEG-4 files, it won’t play MPEG-4 video with an .AVI extension.
- The Sony PS3 has buffering issues with some Internet video and radio streams.
- The Sony PS3 won’t play QuickTime video files. WMV playback is possible but needs to be enabled in the System Settings.
- The Xbox 360 can take 5-25 seconds to load some photos and a minute or longer to display albums.
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Re: DLNA Best Practices

by crudolphy on Mon May 11, 2009 2:18 am

Good article, thanks for writing it. I notice you spent some time giving specfic information about gaming consoles and this is understandable. I was wondering if you could provide some info regarding the Samsung LCD TV's that now offer their "WiseLink Pro" DLNA (750 series and up)? I have one and have problems with video (not sure what encodings to use, youtube flash streams), internet radio streams, and it dropping the connection and acquiring the connection to Twonk (5.061 on Ubuntu 9.04 AMD 64) over my home network. I don't think it is a network issue as they also have their "infolink" which hooks up with USA Today streams over the internet and this works beautifully.
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Re: DLNA Best Practices

by TMM_Product_Manager on Mon May 11, 2009 5:05 pm

crudolphy wrote:Good article, thanks for writing it. I notice you spent some time giving specfic information about gaming consoles and this is understandable. I was wondering if you could provide some info regarding the Samsung LCD TV's that now offer their "WiseLink Pro" DLNA (750 series and up)? I have one and have problems with video (not sure what encodings to use, youtube flash streams), internet radio streams, and it dropping the connection and acquiring the connection to Twonk (5.061 on Ubuntu 9.04 AMD 64) over my home network. I don't think it is a network issue as they also have their "infolink" which hooks up with USA Today streams over the internet and this works beautifully.
Thanks in advance for your comments!


Although I don't know anything about the Samsung DLNA TVs, I do know that the idea of using a TV with an integrated digital media adapter is new, and some of these products still have issues. I would expect they will improve in the future however. The safest video format to use is MPEG-2, because every DLNA renderer must play that back. WMV is also played by most devices. Many devices have a problem playing FLV or YouTube flash streams. Dropped connections are normally a result of your wireless access point. I'll talk to the Forum Administrator about adding a section for DLNA TVs, so users can share their findings.

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Re: DLNA Best Practices

by chaoszone on Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:25 pm

Hi,

i own a Samsung with this new media features and was able to connect it to my Twonky Server which is running on a standard pc. All the files were shown and could also be selected and played. However, the playspeed seems to be wrong.
It seems that it plays the files twice as fast as it is supposed to be. My PS3 however does not have any problems like that. Is there any setting within Twonky that i could tweak in order to avoid such problems?

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Re: DLNA Best Practices

by TMM_Product_Manager on Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:14 pm

If the files are playing faster than normal, it's probably an issue with the embedded player in the Samsung TV.

Please let me know what formats this is occurring with and the model number of your TV.

I recently met some people who work at Samsung in the TV group, and might be able to help get this issue resolved. Thanks.

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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated June 2009)

by garryweil on Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:17 am

Rick,
Great post but I am wondering about one thing you mentioned; using a router with UPnP configuration. I believe this is irrelevant to DLNA.The UPnP setting on most routers is to enable the UPnP IGD; this is the Internet Gateway Device and all it does is allow IGD control points to automatically open and close ports on the firewall of the router e.g. ports for XBox or DirectX games.
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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated June 2009)

by TMM_Product_Manager on Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:20 pm

garryweil wrote:Rick,
Great post but I am wondering about one thing you mentioned; using a router with UPnP configuration. I believe this is irrelevant to DLNA.The UPnP setting on most routers is to enable the UPnP IGD; this is the Internet Gateway Device and all it does is allow IGD control points to automatically open and close ports on the firewall of the router e.g. ports for XBox or DirectX games.


First off, thanks for the feedback. You're correct. This isn't really related to DLNA, that's why I mention it's only relevant to remote access. I also recently changed the title of this to show this list is intended to go beyond DLNA only.

Does anyone else have an opinion on this? I'm happy to remove this if others feel it doesn't belong here as well.

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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated June 2009)

by Mils on Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:12 am

Hi,

I have a Samsung 32LE32B651 conected by LAN to a QNAP TS-239 Pro with Twonky Media V.4.4.17 installed.
By the moment, I can see all pictures, music and videos/movies by the TV-DLNA conection, as same as, TV-USB conection.
But I found one difference, the subtitles. With USB conection, I can see the movies with subtitles (*.srt),
but with DLNA, I can´t see it... Is there any option to activate the subtitles and send the video/movie with subtitle included?

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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated June 2009)

by Streki on Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:09 am

Or which format of subtitles are supported? /sub,srt etc./? I try srt and sub and nothing.
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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated June 2009)

by TMM_Product_Manager on Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:21 pm

According to Christian, subtitle support is not standardized in the UPnP AV spec. Therefore there is no subtitle support in TMS 4.x.

TMS 5.0 has limited subtitle support, but this only works on a Toshiba TV that is sold in Japan. Sorry I don't have better news for you.

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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated June 2009)

by vhenninot on Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:15 am

Hello,
I have a samsung lcd TV DLNA certified and i can't pause a video !
Is it a server or a player problem ?
I use TMS 4.4 on my NAS, but same problem with TMS5 installed on my ubuntu.
Is it related with the media receiver type ?
Or with DLNA version certification ? (1 or 1.5) ?

Thanks for your answer,
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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated June 2009)

by TMM_Product_Manager on Sat Jul 11, 2009 10:03 pm

vhenninot wrote:Hello,
I have a samsung lcd TV DLNA certified and i can't pause a video !
Is it a server or a player problem ?
I use TMS 4.4 on my NAS, but same problem with TMS5 installed on my ubuntu.
Is it related with the media receiver type ?
Or with DLNA version certification ? (1 or 1.5) ?

Thanks for your answer,
Vincent


TMS 4.4 works fine with videos on other DMAs and most DLNA-enabled TVs. It's most likely a problem that is related to the emdedded player software in the TV -- or it's format-related. Some video formats/players don't support seeking.

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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated July 2009)

by vhenninot on Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:41 pm

thnaks for your answer,
but I'm sure that the embeded samsung lcd tv player is play/resume capable because it works with the samsung Windows software and the linux this software.
I also try on different video file !

I ask your support team for that problem and at first they sais that i could modify the client.db and later they send me email with :
This ticket is internally followed with the ID TMCORE-539. Please reference
this when asking for updates/status.


Could you check this ID ?

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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated July 2009)

by TMM_Product_Manager on Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:19 pm

I ask your support team for that problem and at first they sais that i could modify the client.db and later they send me email with :
This ticket is internally followed with the ID TMCORE-539. Please reference
this when asking for updates/status.

Could you check this ID ?


Sure. The ticket is still open. It has been assigned to an engineer to review. It sounds like we're waiting to get a Samsung TV in our Berlin office to test this.

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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated July 2009)

by vhenninot on Mon Aug 24, 2009 11:48 am

Hello,
Any news regarding this problem ?
Since my last message i found a lot of people in différent forum having the same problem with their Samsung TV !
We wonder why it is ONLY with Twonky...

That's too bad for me because my Qbap NAS cames with Twonky embeded... :(

Could you please check The ticket status ?
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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated July 2009)

by TMM_Product_Manager on Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:28 pm

Hi Vincent,

Here's an update:

We have made some good progress on this issue. We now have a Samsung DLNA TV in San Diego (and I think Berlin as well) . The Samsung works fine with our latest build of TMS 5.1 and the Pause/Resume function works great with music. But as you discovered, the Samsung TV cannot Pause or Resume any video streaming from TMS 5.1.

There is a lot technical data attached to the ticket, and it appears that they've isolated the cause of the issue. I will ask them if they have an estimate when this will be fixed and post the answer here when I get it.

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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated July 2009)

by vhenninot on Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:59 am

Hello and THANKS for this GREAT UPDATE !!!
:D

I will link this good news in Qnap and Samsung TV forum !

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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated July 2009)

by TMM_Product_Manager on Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:44 pm

I got some more details about this from our Berlin office. According to them, the TV has some serious issues with their DLNA implementation. The good news is that we've identified the problems, and plan to change TwonkyMedia, so we can work better with these devices. I don't have an ETA on the fixes yet. Post here again in a week and I'll give you an update.

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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated July 2009)

by hermann4711 on Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:57 pm

I have tms (trial-version) installed on my buffalo nas and try to view my videos on my pc with tmm (trial-version) installed. Most of my video cannot be viewed (some do: only the ones I recorded with my sony digital photocamera).
Before I buy tms/tmm I must know:
How can I expand tmm with codecs to show my mp4, mpg and avi videos?
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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated July 2009)

by dynamax on Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:09 pm

TMM_Product_Manager wrote:Hi Vincent,

Here's an update:

We have made some good progress on this issue. We now have a Samsung DLNA TV in San Diego (and I think Berlin as well) . The Samsung works fine with our latest build of TMS 5.1 and the Pause/Resume function works great with music. But as you discovered, the Samsung TV cannot Pause or Resume any video streaming from TMS 5.1.

There is a lot technical data attaced to the ticket, and it appears that they've isolated the cause of the issue. I will ask them if they have an estimate when this will be fixed and post the answer here when I get it.

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Hi Rick!

Do you have any news about Samsung DLNA TV?

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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated July 2009)

by Flipflop on Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:13 pm

dynamax wrote:
TMM_Product_Manager wrote:Hi Vincent,

Here's an update:

We have made some good progress on this issue. We now have a Samsung DLNA TV in San Diego (and I think Berlin as well) . The Samsung works fine with our latest build of TMS 5.1 and the Pause/Resume function works great with music. But as you discovered, the Samsung TV cannot Pause or Resume any video streaming from TMS 5.1.

There is a lot technical data attaced to the ticket, and it appears that they've isolated the cause of the issue. I will ask them if they have an estimate when this will be fixed and post the answer here when I get it.

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Hi Rick!

Do you have any news about Samsung DLNA TV?

Thanks Max


I've been lurking and would to like any news and possible fix to the issue of video streaming to Samsung TV's.

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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated July 2009)

by TTGSS on Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:43 pm

Hi,

I have the problem too. :?
Please ... find the solution quickly. :wink:

Bruno

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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated July 2009)

by bboudreaux on Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:47 pm

Great post! I too, would also like to see anyone's advice on proper tag formats for Album Art, etc. With my LG390 I have no problems viewing the photo thumbnails, but for some reason I had zero luck with album art in my music folders. I have tried ID3 tags and folder.jpg without success.
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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated July 2009)

by Max7761 on Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:49 pm

Hello Rick,

Under MAdia realted Tips you mention:
"3. As you create your digital media library, try to use the formats which are required for DLNA certification: JPEG (photos), LPCM (audio) and MPEG2 (video). Although they are optional for home devices, MP3 (audio), WMV (video) and MPEG4 (video) are almost always supported by DLNA-certified devices as well."

I looked at the list of supported Render devices, but None seem to list MPEG4 support. (Who stores files in MPEG2 these days - too large and slow over network...?) Can you tell me any TVs that will Render MPEG4 ?

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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated July 2009)

by girofle72 on Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:39 pm

hi could you help me please.

j just downloaded twonkymedia on my imac. the server is ok and i can see all folders on my tv samsung dlna.

the problem is i can't open them: the tv tells me it's impossible. would you have any advise to give me?

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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated July 2009)

by Mr.Shaky on Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:58 pm

I'm really new at the whole DLNA thing, but thought I was all set when I got this Samsung LN46B650 TV that sported a big "DNLA Certified" logo because I already had a Buffalo Linkstation Live V2 that also sported the DLNA certified logo.

My main interest is watching DivX movies off the NAS, but all I get is the "file format not supported" message. The TV will play DivX movies off a USB memory stick just fine. I read that the PCast server on my Linkstation stinks, and I should put Twonky on it. But I can't determine whether Twonky will support DivX.

Also, I'm reading a lot of posts about the newer version not working on NAS. Will the older version work on my NAS?
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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated July 2009)

by TMM_Product_Manager on Tue Sep 22, 2009 7:25 pm

TwonkyMedia server streams DivX video to devices which can play it. I don't believe that DivX is on the list of supported formats for the Samsung TVs, but I could be wrong.

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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated July 2009)

by TMM_Product_Manager on Tue Sep 22, 2009 7:26 pm

girofle72 wrote:hi could you help me please.

j just downloaded twonkymedia on my imac. the server is ok and i can see all folders on my tv samsung dlna.

the problem is i can't open them: the tv tells me it's impossible. would you have any advise to give me?

girofle
france


Can you let me know what model of Samsung TV you're using? Thanks.

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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated July 2009)

by TMM_Product_Manager on Tue Sep 22, 2009 7:34 pm

Max7761 wrote:Hello Rick,

I looked at the list of supported Render devices, but None seem to list MPEG4 support. (Who stores files in MPEG2 these days - too large and slow over network...?) Can you tell me any TVs that will Render MPEG4 ?

Thanks Max


Samsung TVs can play some, but not all, YouTube™ and MP4 videos. You can find a list of Samsung TVs that should do this above. There are probably other TVs as well.

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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated July 2009)

by vhenninot on Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:11 pm

Hello Rick,

Have you some news about the Samsung TV pause/resume issue ?
Does TMS 5.1 include some enhancement about that ?

Regards,
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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated July 2009)

by Max7761 on Sun Sep 27, 2009 5:21 am

Thanks for your previous reply Rick,

You mention above that some Samsung TVs will render youTube, MP4, and a list exists.

I have reviewed your list of DMRs with Samsung TVs included, but none indicate MP4 support. Is there another list somewhere that shows whihc Samsung TVs will render MP4 ?

Thanks for your help. Max
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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated July 2009)

by TMM_Product_Manager on Sun Sep 27, 2009 5:50 pm

We try to be very conservative and only list formats we're sure are going to work. Because of that, our list of formats is not always comprehensive. In some cases devices support more formats than we list. I don't know if all Samsung TVs support FLV and MP4, but am pretty confident the 650 and 750 series do. I would expect the higher-end models would as well.

I suggest you bring a laptop with TMM (and some saved FLV or MP4 files) or TwonkyBeam installed to a store in your area and test for yourself before purchasing however.

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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated July 2009)

by TMM_Product_Manager on Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:56 pm

I've been lurking and would to like any news and possible fix to the issue of video streaming to Samsung TV's.


Sorry for the long delay. I have some more info on this problem. First the good news. I just got an e-mail from someone who says you CAN pause and forward .WMV files. The issue only seems be with .AVI files. He has a Samsung LE46B750 and Twonky 4.4.8 on a Buffalo Live NAS.

Now for the not so good news. We originally thought we could program around the pause issue, but that does not appear to be the case. The Samsung TV we looked at uses proprietary streaming for enhanced functions like pause and there is nothing we can do about this for now. I'll forward this info on to my contact at Samsung, but don't expect any changes in the near future.

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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated July 2009)

by vhenninot on Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:10 pm

:roll:

I can confirm that today, i tried a lot a different video files : only a few mpg could pause/resume...
It make sense...

What could users do to make Samsung move to inprove their DLNA compliance ?

But now, i don't understand How fuppes could make the pause work ??
I'm going to try...

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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated July 2009)

by Flipflop on Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:34 pm

TMM_Product_Manager wrote:
I've been lurking and would to like any news and possible fix to the issue of video streaming to Samsung TV's.


Sorry for the long delay. I have some more info on this problem. First the good news. I just got an e-mail from someone who says you CAN pause and forward .WMV files. The issue only seems be with .AVI files. He has a Samsung LE46B750 and Twonky 4.4.8 on a Buffalo Live NAS.

Now for the not so good news. We originally thought we could program around the pause issue, but that does not appear to be the case. The Samsung TV we looked at uses proprietary streaming for enhanced functions like pause and there is nothing we can do about this for now. I'll forward this info on to my contact at Samsung, but don't expect any changes in the near future.

- Rick


The email you received (via the request on Facebook) was actually from me.

Thanks for looking into this, it's a pity there is no easy/quick fix for this.
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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated July 2009)

by vhenninot on Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:14 pm

Hello !
:shock:

I'm coming back here with a wired news :
I just try to change video file extensions .avi to .mpg and PAUSE WORK !!!????
:o

So i think it IS possible to do something for us !
Twonky Developper, please help !

:)

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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated July 2009)

by TMM_Product_Manager on Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:15 pm

I'll pass this on to the developers are see what they say. Thanks for reporting this.

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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated July 2009)

by TMM_Product_Manager on Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:04 pm

Here is their initial response:

AVI is a container format, MPEG is not. I would asume that playback would then fail on every AVI file that does not contain MPEG codecs. But we can give it a try....
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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated July 2009)

by vhenninot on Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:47 am

I agree...
I have done the following tests :
The fact is that playback and pause/resume work with .avi containing DivX and Xvid renamed to .mpg !
but MS MPG4 with .mpg is not working - as expected - although it work with correct .avi extension.

If we could make divX and Xvid working... it would be so GREAT !!!!
:D

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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated July 2009)

by san on Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:18 pm

it s not clear for me. the mpg renamed file works if it containts mpeg codec or xvid/divx codec?
well, this evening i'll try some test also for mkv (mpeg codec 1080p) and avi (xvid,divx) between twonky on WD Mybook NAS and samsung le46b750;
asap i'll give you some feedback
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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated July 2009)

by san on Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:51 pm

nothing work

renamed all my video library to .mpg
setting tv samsung in twonky conf. as 'generic dlna 1.0' client

tested codec :
dx50 Divx video (also in 720p hd) (avi container renamed .mpg)
Xvid mpeg4@video (avi container renamed .mpg)
H264 hd (matroska container renamed .mpg)

i tested also an mpeg (mpeg1@video codec) real .mpg file....
nothing
start/pause not work

what i wrong? the generic dlna 1.0 set it s not the set used by Vincent?

Sante
Vincent can you give me your Twonky client settings for the samsung tv?
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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated July 2009)

by vhenninot on Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:15 pm

Hello San,

I use Generic DLNA 1.5 (autodetected by Twonky)
My Twonky Version is 4.4.17 on a QNAP TS109pro (NAS)

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Re: Connected Home/DLNA Best Practices (Updated July 2009)

by san on Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:40 pm

that's incredible, set to dlna 1.5 nothing;
my version is 5.1 !?!?!
i bought also a license for version 5 cause in my wd mybook the preinstalled version was 4.9

at this point, i'll try to downgrade to 4.4.17 e retest
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