Digital media renderers that work with Twonky software

[TMM_Product_Manager]

This makes sense to me. You're right that most (if not all) CE form-factor DMRs do have limitations. A SFF (small form-factor) or CEFF (consumer electronics form factor) PC makes a very good renderer -- especially if it has optical audio out and a graphics card with an HDMI output. I have a CEFF PC connected to my plasma and it's nice to watch Netflix movies as well as use it as a DMR using TMM.

- Rick

[k1200rs]

Rick,

Please also note that several NP2x00 customers are reporting the fact (in the Streamiumcafe forum) that with same latest NP2x00 firmware release, using FLAC or MP3, when trying to play a whole album in PUSH mode, it stops after the first track (you need to click on the >I next track if you want to hear it.

Again, it might be a NP2x00 bug?

regards,
Francis

I believe that was fixed as well by TMM v1.1 and the new Philips firmware. If you experience this after you update your device with the new firmware, please let me know. Thanks.

- Rick

Unfortunately, this has not been fixed in newest NP2x00 firmware. In other words, when you try to play an entire album in PUSH mode, it stops after the first track. What has been fixed though, is the display of the METADATA in PUSH mode. Rick, would you please escalate this to Philips? Thanks.

[TMM_Product_Manager]

Unfortunately, this has not been fixed in newest NP2x00 firmware. In other words, when you try to play an entire album in PUSH mode, it stops after the first track. What has been fixed though, is the display of the METADATA in PUSH mode. Rick, would you please escalate this to Philips? Thanks.

Certainly. Would you let me know which version of the firmware you're running and also what version of TMM/Philips Media Browser? Thanks.

- Rick

[k1200rs]

Rick, I am running the very last ones of both, as I keep everything very updated, but will confirm the version number tomorrow.

[TMM_Product_Manager]

Thanks. Since I'll be on vacation next week, someone else will handle this and respond here.

- Rick

[henrysinn]

Hi Rick,

I've been pulling my hair out at the dlna.org/products site to get a comprehensive list of DLNA DMRs.
It seems to be a one product at a time test in their very annoying flash interface..
And of course no way to contact them to ask / suggest / complain.

Anyway, I'm [currently] a PS3 user with Twonky running beautifully on a NAS.
[PC's and MACs on the side often switched OFF]
Given Sony's PS3 no-go at being a DMR, I'm thinking about the ditch and going elsewhere.

Ultimate goal is Video, Audio [lossless if possible] and Photo playing via DMC such as phone or PC [when not in living room].

Any idea how to get a comprehensive DLNA DMR list?
Any thoughts / recommendations?

Henry

[k1200rs]

Rick, I am running the very last ones of both, as I keep everything very updated, but will confirm the version number tomorrow.

Sorry, Philips NP2x00 & TMM work well in PUSH mode including with FLACs, everything is working just fine. Great products.

[TMM_Product_Manager]

I've been pulling my hair out at the dlna.org/products site to get a comprehensive list of DLNA DMRs.
It seems to be a one product at a time test in their very annoying flash interface..
And of course no way to contact them to ask / suggest / complain.
Any idea how to get a comprehensive DLNA DMR list?

The people behind DLNA are aware of the limitations of their current search pages and working on a solution.

Although DLNA.org claims to have 5000 DLNA-certified devices, we were unable to find a single DMR using their search engine. We even contacted DLNA representatives to get a such a list, since we couldn't believe that we had a more comprehensive list of DMRs than they did. What we found out might surprise you. I'll paraphrase, but it was something like this: At this time, there are no DLNA-certified DMRs - other than some reference design platforms.

The reason for this is the fact that they only recently created a process to certify devices like DMCs and DMRs. As we are informed of new devices being certified, we'll post them here. Until then, I believe this forum is your best source of info on this topic.

Anyway, I'm [currently] a PS3 user with Twonky running beautifully on a NAS.
[PC's and MACs on the side often switched OFF]
Given Sony's PS3 no-go at being a DMR, I'm thinking about the ditch and going elsewhere.

Ultimate goal is Video, Audio [lossless if possible] and Photo playing via DMC such as phone or PC [when not in living room].
Any thoughts / recommendations?

We're looking to find a new DMR for photos and video for our demo rooms. Up until now, it's been the Zyxel DMA-1000, but we're looking to replace that. I'll let you know what we end up with. Right now we're planning to do some testing on the Popcorn Hour device. If anyone has suggestions for other video renderers, please let us know.

- Rick

[TMM_Product_Manager]

With the addition of these two new Yamaha DMRs, we're up to 45 digital media adapters that work with TwonkyMedia Manager.

- Yamaha MCX-P200 Pre-amp Network Music Player (audio-only)
- Yamaha MCX-A300 Amplified Network Music Player (audio-only)

- Rick

[TMM_Product_Manager]

Unfortunately, this has not been fixed in newest NP2x00 firmware. In other words, when you try to play an entire album in PUSH mode, it stops after the first track. What has been fixed though, is the display of the METADATA in PUSH mode. Rick, would you please escalate this to Philips? Thanks.

We have already contacted them about this. So far they have been unable to replicate this issue with either 11.3 or 12.00 firmware. The good news is that our Q/A group was able to find some issues with the device stopping playback before a playlist was complete. In our case, a reboot of the device was sometimes required after this occured.

It's unclear right now whether this is a Twonky or Philips issue, but rest assured that we will continue to work this issue until a solution is found.

- Rick

[k1200rs]

Rick,

Sorry about this, as advised here viewtopic.php?f=24&p=24175&sid=d3e0ff7baf583be488897cbd5e3bd1d7#p24093 the PUSH mode works really great.

I am sorry about this.

Regards

[TMM_Product_Manager]

With the addition of these two new Yamaha DMRs, we're up to 45 digital media adapters that work with TwonkyMedia Manager.

- Yamaha MCX-P200 Pre-amp Network Music Player (audio-only)
- Yamaha MCX-A300 Amplified Network Music Player (audio-only)

- Rick

I just added quite a few more DMRs to this list -- bringing us to a total of 52 DMRs! I have another 5-6 more to test which should work as well and will be added soon.

- Rick

[kgrosser]

Sorry to disagree with k1200rs...but pushing playlists containing .flacs to a Philips NP2500 does not work, playback stops after every file, metadata are on flacs not displayed properly either (at least covers are not, artist and title are).
I can also confirm that this is not a Twonky but a Philips related issue (surprise surprise) since it is happening with PlugPlayer as well... Running latest Firmware on NP2500, downloaded the special version of TMM from the Philips site (which is, "Philipically" again, only available through the US portal not the European one, so if you don't know where and what to look for, you'll never know), PlugPlayer is on 2.3

Also using the Intel or that other open source (forgot the name, was it Cidero?) UPnP SDK showed that the NP is reacting differently to transport comands and requests than all other type of gear (Siemens M740AV, PS3, TMM, Plug Player, etc.) Philips has not implemented UPnP control properly to the full extent (yet, hopefully).

On another topic (or actually the same, since it's due to feeling tired using Philips gear): is anybody around that can advise or check whether the Archos 5/7 media tablets would accept pushing?

[TMM_Product_Manager]

Sorry to disagree with k1200rs...but pushing playlists containing .flacs to a Philips NP2500 does not work, playback stops after every file, metadata are on flacs not displayed properly either (at least covers are not, artist and title are).
I can also confirm that this is not a Twonky but a Philips related issue (surprise surprise) since it is happening with PlugPlayer as well... Running latest Firmware on NP2500, downloaded the special version of TMM from the Philips site (which is, "Philipically" again, only available through the US portal not the European one, so if you don't know where and what to look for, you'll never know), PlugPlayer is on 2.3

Also using the Intel or that other open source (forgot the name, was it Cidero?) UPnP SDK showed that the NP is reacting differently to transport comands and requests than all other type of gear (Siemens M740AV, PS3, TMM, Plug Player, etc.) Philips has not implemented UPnP control properly to the full extent (yet, hopefully).

On another topic (or actually the same, since it's due to feeling tired using Philips gear): is anybody around that can advise or check whether the Archos 5/7 media tablets would accept pushing?

Thank you for reporting this issue. I'm forwarding this to my contacts at Philips now. Hopefully this can be addressed in an upcoming firmware release.

- Rick

[TMM_Product_Manager]

Wow, that was fast I just got a response back from Philips on your FLAC-related question. Here it is:

We have defined following workaround on this a couple of months back:

FLAC Tag itself doesn’t seem to support Album Art in its attributes currently. However, TwonkyMedia Server/Media Browser has a way so that it could show the Album Art for FLAC music as well.

1. Put the album art file into the same folder as the FLAC songs
2. Change the album art filename to folder.jpg (must change)
3. Rebuild the TwonkyMedia server database. You MUST REBUILD IT and cannot just rescan or restart the server.
4. Back on the device, navigate to the music and play it , it should now find the album artwork.

[kgrosser]

Ok, I will try the folder.jpg trick for peace. But the thing with the metadate chunk is a cheap excuse, I opulled a single file by drag and drop to a USB stick and carried it to work. There I fired up Winamp, MediaMonkey etc. and gues what...the Metadata including Album Art showed up fine, heck even CD Art plugIn would showcase it... But no offense, that's typical to pass tha ball ... no problems to pass it back whenever it lands somewhere in my court ;.)

[k1200rs]

Does anyone know whether this radio / player works with TMS/TMM?
http://www.monitoraudio.fr/produits/air ... your-radio
It is UPNP but seems it is not DLNA certified.
Knowing 'monitor audio' and reading the specs, the sound must be very good, but it is not DLNA...

[TMM_Product_Manager]

Most UPnP certified products can pull media from TwonkyMedia server/manager. Not all of them work well with playlists however. Try to find a vendor with a 30-day money back guarentee, so you can test it yourself.

- Rick

[lmuralidharan]

Any idea when we can push stuff from pc to Panasonic TV (TXL37V10) ?- I can currently browse photos and play some divx files ( some of them say unsupported format when played on the TV . The same thing plays on TMM on the pc)

[DaemonBeetle]

Any idea when we can push stuff from pc to Panasonic TV (TXL37V10) ?- I can currently browse photos and play some divx files ( some of them say unsupported format when played on the TV . The same thing plays on TMM on the pc)

Worth trying the search function and looking in the Internet Ready TVs forum. There are a number of Panasonic threads there, and it looks like there are some Panasonic limitations.

[mikle_01]

Will the popular and bestseller "WD TV (live)" ever be able to work with TMM / TMB!?

[TMM_Product_Manager]

Not sure. I'll check and get back to you.

- Rick

[feet]

How did the Popcorn Hour test go?

I like my A-100, but I hate the GUI. It's slow and doesn't automatically play a container full of media (i.e. a music album folder or a folder of photos) but only individual files.

Anyone have any idea if there are any replacement firmwares out there? Can TwonkyMedia Manager be used as a full firmware solution? That would be cool!

[TMM_Product_Manager]

I have not come across replacement firmware for the PCH A-100 that comes from someone other than Syabas.

- Rick

[TMM_Product_Manager]

Will the popular and bestseller "WD TV (live)" ever be able to work with TMM / TMB!?

Yes. The current firmware does work with TwonkyMedia manager.

- Rick

[john.glasson]

Rick reports that "Rudeo Control works even better than the Nokia controller". But a warning to potential Rudeo buyers: I have found that (at least with TwonkyMediaServer 5.1) tracks are listed in the wrong order - Alpha instead of by Track Number.

John Glasson

[john.glasson]

Lobster Tunes

I've now tried this player on my PDA and have found it to be excellent. It always picks up the Twonky library immediately (unlike Kinsky). It plays tracks in the correct order (unlike Rudeo). It runs hassle-free (unlike Pocket PC where the uPnP add-in fails on my Dell X51 PDA).

See: http://www.lobstertunes.com/

John Glasson

[TMM_Product_Manager]

Thanks for sharing this information John.

- Rick

[splashrun]

You can add the (dutch company) Eminent EM7075 hdMedia. It's controllable, music works fine, haven't hooked it up to a TV yet, so don't know about video/photo etc. The EM7075 box says it's DLNA btw..

[TMM_Product_Manager]

Thank you for letting me know the EM7075 is a DMR.

Let me know if it works with video and photos. Also, let me know if it works with WMA files as well, since that's not required for DLNA. Thanks.

- Rick

P.S. If anyone else knows if their 7080 or 7075 models are DMRs as well, please let me know.

[splashrun]

The 7080 probably not, it has the same OS (some linux) as the mede8er, and some others. It does UPnP as a client (not very well: no mp3 tags etc.). Also, it prominently DOESN'T sport a upnp or dlna-logo, while the 7075 does. BTW, the mede8er is shown as a Netgear 200 device in TMM, and it doesn't even show up in windows as a upnp-device.

The EM7075 plays .wma just fine as a dmr (pushed from tmm and tms). it doesn't do .ogg. It actually crashes the little box. other formats i don't have.

fyi eminent website: www.eminent-online.com and http://opensource.eminent-online.com/phpBB/ if you don't like the firmware you get eminent help changing it! Maybe Twonky can have a go with it