TwonkyMedia Digital Home Forum

by **SlasherMCT** on Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:33 am

If the Media manager is truly client server then I would like to run the service on Windows Home Server but install the client on my Windows XP box and address the service on the Windows Home Server.
(Directly logging on to the WHS box is strongly discouraged by Microsoft)

Is this possible please? Perhaps it is obvious. Currently the client and server are installed on the WHS box - however the help button for the Twonky Media loads internet explorer - and I cancel that immediately because I NEVER RUN A WEB BROWSER directly on the WHS box as it is a massive security risk to the server.

Thank you

by **TMM_Product_Manager** on Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:35 am

We're expected WHS users are going to do one of the following:

- Use external hardware devices to access their media on their WHS (running TwonkyMedia server).
- Use the TwonkyMedia manager client running on a PC to access their media on their WHS
- Use the new HP Remote Access app to access content on their WHS remotely

I don't understand why anyone would try to use their WHS box as a client, but maybe I'm missing something.

- Rick

by **SlasherMCT** on Wed Jan 07, 2009 8:54 am

TMM_Product_Manager wrote:We're expected WHS users are going to do one of the following:

- Use external hardware devices to access their media on their WHS (running TwonkyMedia server).
- Use the TwonkyMedia manager client running on a PC to access their media on their WHS
- Use the new HP Remote Access app to access content on their WHS remotely

I don't understand why anyone would try to use their WHS box as a client, but maybe I'm missing something.

- Rick

Exactly. I want the server software on the WHS Box and the client elsewhere.... and mostly a PS3 using the media.

Because that is how the media manager comes in the installer!!
In the installation there is no question "Would you like to install the server on this computer and the client on another".
or Installl Server Components / Install Client Components?

So I repeat. How Do I Set this up for WHS using the TwonkyMediaManager download you provide?

by **TMM_Product_Manager** on Thu Jan 08, 2009 3:59 am

We have a special version of TwonkyMedia that runs as an Add-in on WHS. Currently it's only available when you buy an HP MediaSmart server, but we're hoping to offer this to all WHS users -- as soon as it's properly tested.

If everything goes as planned, you'll be able to go to an advanced installer page in TwonkyMedia manager v1.1 and select to only install the Control Point on your client if desired.

Would this solution address your needs?

- Rick

by **Coors4bob** on Thu Jan 08, 2009 4:44 am

HI Rick, Thanks for the product direction. Do you have any time frame on the WHS component? The there are things about the HP box I don't care for and want to build my own WHS. The ability to build and load a custom hardware WHS would be very helpful.

by **SlasherMCT** on Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:50 am

I build my own WHS server after trying an early Tranquil PC which hung up regularly.

All of the music is in folders on external USB drives - this probably slows performance when scanning

by **SlasherMCT** on Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:51 am

Yes, I don't have an HP system - mine is homegrown.

by **Coors4bob** on Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:46 pm

I am building my WHS using this device http://www.chenbro.com/corporatesite/pr ... ?serno=100

I am interested in knowing what new decoders were announced at CES this week that might be compatible with Twonky.

by **TMM_Product_Manager** on Fri Jan 09, 2009 5:15 am

We understand that many of your have built your own Windows Home Servers and plan to sell a version designed for you guys as well. I don't have an ETA yet, and won't have one for at least a week because I'm at CES all this week.

I hope to have time to post a CES report before the show is over. I'll post a topic heading now so others can share CES news as well.

- Rick

by **Coors4bob** on Fri Jan 09, 2009 5:59 pm

Where on the board is or will be the CES Post?

by **TMM_Product_Manager** on Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:23 am

You can find the CES report here: viewtopic.php?f=24&t=5997

Right now it doesn't contain much, but I'll add to it in a few days after I catch up with all of your Forum questions. I've got some really interesting news for you.

- Rick

by **TwinMoonsAnime** on Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:47 pm

I just built my own WHS server as well and am VERY interested in running Twonky server on it since I really don't want to leave my XP Media Center box on all the time.

Also, I recently purchased Twonky Media Manager/Server 5. Whenever the WHS version is available, will I be able to un-install the 5.0 version from my XP box and install the WHS version on my server using the same license or will I need to buy a new license. It would be very much appreciated if I can use my existing license because I have no plans of running it on the XP box anymore once it is installed on my WHS box.

by **TMM_Product_Manager** on Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:44 pm

...will I be able to un-install the 5.0 version from my XP box and install the WHS version on my server using the same license or will I need to buy a new license.

That's the plan. Buy one license and use it up on to three PCs on any platform.

- Rick

by **TwinMoonsAnime** on Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:03 am

So we can use the same license for up to 3 computers? That would be great if that's the case.

by **TMM_Product_Manager** on Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:08 pm

TwinMoonsAnime wrote:So we can use the same license for up to 3 computers? That would be great if that's the case.

That is correct.

We want our users to install TMM/TMS on every PC in their home.

Although I'm sure some Twonky Forum users have more 3 PCs, ( I have seven) this should address the typical consumer.

- Rick

by **TwinMoonsAnime** on Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:27 pm

Thanks Rick, that's great news! I have 6 computers (2 of them laptops) and need to install Twonky on at least 2 so this is great news.

Speaking of WHS, I actually installed Twonky on my WHS machine from the WHS desktop (yes, I know this is REALLY bad and I shouldn't do it, but I wanted to see if I could!) and frankly I haven't seen any problems with it. Of course it would be much nicer and safer if it can be installed as an official WHS add-in via the console.

by **TMM_Product_Manager** on Sat Jan 24, 2009 1:12 am

Yes, I've heard of others that are also running TMS on WHS without problems. Glad it's working for you.

As soon as we have an official version of TMS for WHS, we'll post information here.

- Rick

by **rickie** on Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:55 pm

TMM_Product_Manager wrote:We have a special version of TwonkyMedia that runs as an Add-in on WHS. Currently it's only available when you buy an HP MediaSmart server, but we're hoping to offer this to all WHS users -- as soon as it's properly tested.

If everything goes as planned, you'll be able to go to an advanced installer page in TwonkyMedia manager v1.1 and select to only install the Control Point on your client if desired.

Would this solution address your needs?

- Rick

I currently own a HP EX-470 that currently has PVConnect 4.4.4 and from what I can gleen this is the version of Twonky. There is not much control over this version as what appears on the WHS Console. Is the TwonkyMedia Manager that you indicated is only available on HP MediaSmart Server the PVConnect or is it the TwonkyMedia Manager that looks like what is advertised on your website version 1.0 (and is only available to different versions of HP MSS)? It appears the version that is available (version 1.0) when you are redirected from Windows Home Server Add-in has better control and more intuitive then the current version I have. Will the WHS version be a server add-in with 3 client license for other PC's? I am eager to see what this new version will look like. Currently I have an old Pinnacle ShowCenter 200 and to my surprise I was able to connect to my WHS using the PVConnect. I'm currently in the market of looking for new equipment for our new media room and have yet to decide on what digital media adapter I will purchase. But deciding on what software I will use that will allow me to stream to our new media room and other rooms is still up in the air.
So my question is will the Twonky that will be available as a add-in for WHS be a server with the availability to add clients? And will this be something that is free for all current HP MediaSmart Server or only the latest HP MSS? Thanks for your time.
Rick

by **TMM_Product_Manager** on Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:50 am

Hi Rick,

The settings that appear in the WHS console are very basic. HP insisted on this. I did see a post on the Internet where someone talked about a way to access all of the TMS settings, but I haven't had a chance to test this yet.

We haven't decided how licensing is going work on the TMS Add-in. We're hoping that HP is going to make the 5.0 version of the TMS Add-in available for all HP MSS users, but that decision is out of our control. They will also decide if it's a free upgrade or paid upgrade.

So my question is will the Twonky that will be available as a add-in for WHS be a server with the availability to add clients?

Not sure what you mean by this. Can you explain? Thanks.

- Rick

by **Seph** on Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:59 pm

TMM_Product_Manager wrote:We understand that many of your have built your own Windows Home Servers and plan to sell a version designed for you guys as well. I don't have an ETA yet, and won't have one for at least a week because I'm at CES all this week.

Any news on the Home Server version for non-HP home servers???

by **TMM_Product_Manager** on Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:33 pm

Yes progress has finally been made on this. I believe this will be part of the TMS 5.1 release. Which I think is scheduled for sometime in June. Hopefully we can post a Beta here before then. I'll post more information here as I receive it.

- Rick

by **finnvid** on Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:23 pm

I did not find the WHS support in the beta released on the 24:th, is it hidden somewhere or just delayed?

/tobbe

by **TMM_Product_Manager** on Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:18 pm

finnvid wrote:I did not find the WHS support in the beta released on the 24:th, is it hidden somewhere or just delayed?

/tobbe

I'll check and get back to you.

- Rick

by **finnvid** on Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:46 pm

TMM_Product_Manager wrote:
finnvid wrote:I did not find the WHS support in the beta released on the 24:th, is it hidden somewhere or just delayed?

/tobbe

I'll check and get back to you.

- Rick

Any news?

/tobbe

by **TMM_Product_Manager** on Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:43 pm

We're planning to release TwonkyMedia for Windows Home Server on July 22nd. I'll post more details as I receive them.

- Rick

by **finnvid** on Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:15 pm

TMM_Product_Manager wrote:We're planning to release TwonkyMedia for Windows Home Server on July 22nd. I'll post more details as I receive them.

- Rick

Hello,

Any news or new date?

/tobbe

by **TMM_Product_Manager** on Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:16 pm

Sorry I didn't post this earlier. The new date is 7/29.

Check back and we'll post a download link here. You'll be able to use exisiting TMS 5.0 license keys -- as long as you haven't installed your software on more than two PCs yet.

- Rick

by **finnvid** on Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:09 pm

TMM_Product_Manager wrote:Sorry I didn't post this earlier. The new date is 7/29.

Check back and we'll post a download link here. You'll be able to use exisiting TMS 5.0 license keys -- as long as you haven't installed your software on more than two PCs yet.

- Rick

Hello,

Could you please post the link.

/tobbe

by **TMM_Product_Manager** on Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:04 pm

I just sent a request to our Berlin office to either get a download link or a new availability date. Sorry for the delay.

- Rick

by **capzfelix** on Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:44 pm

Rick,

Talking about the license key. How does TwonkyMedia check if 1 key has been used on more than 3 PCs? Is it based on the MAC address of the PC? Or number of times such key is checked with TwonkyMedia license server?

Let's say if I install, uninstall and re-install again TMM on a PC more than 3 times, will TwonkyMedia sees it as being installed on 3 PCs (even on the same machine)?

Is the license transferable? For example, I install the key on PC A, B and C. I got a new PC D. Can I uninstall TMM from PC A and use the key on PC D?

Cheers!

by **campbellr66** on Mon Aug 03, 2009 3:06 pm

TMM_Product_Manager wrote:Sorry I didn't post this earlier. The new date is 7/29.

Check back and we'll post a download link here. You'll be able to use exisiting TMS 5.0 license keys -- as long as you haven't installed your software on more than two PCs yet.

- Rick

So any news on the WHS addon release ?

by **TMM_Product_Manager** on Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:57 pm

Although I sound like a broken record, I was told last week it will be out by this Friday. The reason for the delays is that they keep on finding and fixing new problems. I don't blame them for trying to get things right, but it's not fun to be the messenger at times like this. Let's hope we don't need to have this conversation again -- because there is a link here Friday. And thanks for your continued patience.

- Rick

by **capzfelix** on Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:47 pm

capzfelix wrote:Rick,

Talking about the license key. How does TwonkyMedia check if 1 key has been used on more than 3 PCs? Is it based on the MAC address of the PC? Or number of times such key is checked with TwonkyMedia license server?

Let's say if I install, uninstall and re-install again TMM on a PC more than 3 times, will TwonkyMedia sees it as being installed on 3 PCs (even on the same machine)?

Is the license transferable? For example, I install the key on PC A, B and C. I got a new PC D. Can I uninstall TMM from PC A and use the key on PC D?

Cheers!

Hi Rick, I think you miss my questions above.

by **TMM_Product_Manager** on Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:46 pm

I did sorry. Thanks for mentioning this. These are all good questions by the way.

Talking about the license key. How does TwonkyMedia check if 1 key has been used on more than 3 PCs? Is it based on the MAC address of the PC? Or number of times such key is checked with TwonkyMedia license server?

Yes, it's Mac address based. The last 3 Mac addresses are valid. Keep in mind that if you have a laptop, that can use up to Mac addresses.

Let's say if I install, uninstall and re-install again TMM on a PC more than 3 times, will TwonkyMedia sees it as being installed on 3 PCs (even on the same machine)?

It has nothing to do with installs or uninstalls only Mac addresses.

Is the license transferable? For example, I install the key on PC A, B and C. I got a new PC D. Can I uninstall TMM from PC A and use the key on PC D?

You don't need to uninstall. If you install on a new PC, it will assume your old one crashed or was replaced. If that's not the case contact support and explain the situation. They can help you.

- Rick

by **finnvid** on Sun Aug 09, 2009 4:56 pm

TMM_Product_Manager wrote:Although I sound like a broken record, I was told last week it will be out by this Friday. The reason for the delays is that they keep on finding and fixing new problems. I don't blame them for trying to get things right, but it's not fun to be the messenger at times like this. Let's hope we don't need to have this conversation again -- because there is a link here Friday. And thanks for your continued patience.

- Rick

Any news on the release?

/tobbe

by **TMM_Product_Manager** on Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:25 pm

Two more issues were found last week that they wanted to fix. I just checked and found out it won't be ready by this Friday either. Rest assured, as soon as it's ready, it will be posted here.

- Rick

by **finnvid** on Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:12 pm

TMM_Product_Manager wrote:Two more issues were found last week that they wanted to fix. I just checked and found out it won't be ready by this Friday either. Rest assured, as soon as it's ready, it will be posted here.

- Rick

Any news?

/tobbe

by **TMM_Product_Manager** on Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:26 pm

The new date I was given is September 7th, 2009.

- Rick

by **incongruousm** on Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:05 pm

Hi,
Is this still on track for the 7th? Really getting suprisingly desperate to give this a go now :-)

by **TMM_Product_Manager** on Sat Sep 05, 2009 6:07 pm

Yes, that's what I was told this week. You'll see a post here in the annoucements section as soon as the download page is ready. Again, sorry for the long delay.

- Rick

by **incongruousm** on Sun Sep 06, 2009 12:43 am

That's excellent, thank you. I look forward to giving it a try :-)

by **finnvid** on Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:14 pm

TMM_Product_Manager wrote:Yes, that's what I was told this week. You'll see a post here in the annoucements section as soon as the download page is ready. Again, sorry for the long delay.

- Rick

Hi,

Just scanned through the announcements and found the release. It does not mention whs, is it in there somewhere?

/tobbe

by **TMM_Product_Manager** on Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:37 pm

Somehow they missed posting TMS for WHS, but it should be there tomorrow because we already reported that it was missing:
http://twonkyforum.com/unsupported/5.1/

Release Notes for the TMS 5.1 release are here:
http://www.twonkyforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=6740

by **finnvid** on Wed Sep 09, 2009 5:53 pm

TMM_Product_Manager wrote:Somehow they missed posting TMS for WHS, but it should be there tomorrow because we already reported that it was missing:
http://twonkyforum.com/unsupported/5.1/

Release Notes for the TMS 5.1 release are here:
http://www.twonkyforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=6740

Still not there, whats happening???

/tobbe

by **bigbill38** on Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:56 pm

When will the new version (TMM WHS client) be available and a link posted?

by **incongruousm** on Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:01 pm

Looks like the link is their now: http://twonkyforum.com/unsupported/5.1/

Downloading and installing, fingers crossed!

by **JohnnyCanuck** on Fri Sep 11, 2009 5:35 pm

Except ... it doesn't work.

Add-in installs fine, but the tab gives me an error "Object reference not set to an instance of an object." When I go to Settings/TwonkyMedia, the panel on the right is completely blank.

I have uninstalled, re-booted, re-installed without fixing it.

Any ideas?

by **finnvid** on Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:16 pm

JohnnyCanuck wrote:Except ... it doesn't work.

Add-in installs fine, but the tab gives me an error "Object reference not set to an instance of an object." When I go to Settings/TwonkyMedia, the panel on the right is completely blank.

I have uninstalled, re-booted, re-installed without fixing it.

Any ideas?

Did you install using the Add-in in the WHS Console? I just installed on my homeserver and it worked like a charm...

/tobbe

by **JohnnyCanuck** on Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:22 pm

That's exactly how I installed it.

I did have an older release of 5 installed using the XP setup package that was working fine. I did uninstall that prior to installing the add-in, but I am wondering if that is somehow messing me up?

by **JohnnyCanuck** on Fri Sep 11, 2009 7:55 pm

This is really frustrating. I have installed it via the console, I have logged in via Remote Desktop and installed from the console locally on the Server.

The Twonky service itself is running, I can access it via web config, but I can't make any changes that way because it needs to be done through the add-in.

I'm trying to uninstall other add-ins to see if somehow they're conflicting, but that doesn't make sense to me. Is there a debug-log somewhere that might clue me in?